Gary Shaw

and for both goals the first two goals as well he's got a tap in in the six yard box like a number nine and then the link up play for the second goal the Jackson one is a really nice one too obviously nice that we're into play but they almost played like a kind of like an old fashioned number nine and number ten Like a duo when he got really close to the striker, which sometimes at Smith Villa, especially under Watkins, they had a tendency that Watkins would get isolated a lot, especially away from home.

Yeah, because I was just thinking, I mean, going back a few years, but I was thinking there's a similar dynamic here to how Gary Shaw buzzed around Peter Witt.

Now, Peter Witt is a different profile to Jackson.

He's not nippy running the channels.

Yes

... of Gary Shaw.

Yeah.

Uh, you quite insultingly said to me that-

[laughs]

... uh, were you old enough to see Gary Shaw play? And I said, "No." Although I think he was at Villa until 1989, came back to Villa.

But the only thing I would say is just a shout-out to our previous incumbent, Matt Kendrick.

One of my favorite ever moments on this podcast is Matt Kendrick's, um, eulogy or-

Yes.

People like myself, Tony Morley, Gary Shaw, he didn't really trust, or he felt he had...

I, when I look at them now, when I re- when you look back now that you're older and you've been- Yes ... a manager and stuff like that, you realize.

But he used to call me in every Friday, and he'd, he'd have a little... "You on the phone?" "Yeah, yeah, yeah." "Well, he's coming in here in a minute.

Yeah, yeah.

Tony Morley, whenever he called him Anthony.

Tony, Tony used to say, "Whenever he called me Anthony, I knew I was in trouble." [laughs] Gary Shaw, he, he never let us out, but, like, people like Alan Evans, Ken McNaught, Dennis Mortimer- Yeah ...

all the lads who he knew would...

poor Koretzka too much money too much signing on bonus hopefully he's one of the keys to the ceiling of this team this season but you've got to be in the matchday squad and at it Matty Cash didn't travel but I think the pointers are he's certainly in contention for the Forest game you'd expect probably would start if it's nothing serious and within the realms of rotation he probably will Meanwhile, the man who carries the team on his back, John McGinn, is now Villa's top scorer in European competitions with 12, skipping over Ollie Watkins' 11.

Unfortunately, the likes of Peter Wythe in third with nine goals and Gary Shaw with eight played a lot less games.

I mean, Gary Shaw played 14 in Europe and scored eight goals.

Pretty incredible.

And Peter Wythe scored nine in 19.