So to... educate both myself and many of the coaches out there I'm sure who don't know the ins and outs of the way that athletics looks after the longevity of its athletes can you just explain that a little bit and then I guess put kind of your personal spin on it

yeah listen there's still many things that we're we're battling and fighting against I don't claim to be the oracle I don't claim to be the the copy book of what this whole sport should be doing because what works in one area doesn't for another you know a part of that youth vision group that I mentioned earlier you know that was a conversation starter you know a group of peers that wanted to talk about the things that we felt should be changing within athletics and you know it's not designed to be a strategy or to tell anyone what to do it's just to get conversation going around how can we stop some of the areas that are decaying or declining and really pick up on that.

So back to your kind of question, I don't think that we do that particularly well.

I would push back a little bit on that because it's still a very tangible, brutal sport.

Kids win, kids don't win.

And the kids that don't win, how much do they not win by? Like, are we talking minutes? Are we talking a hundred places? Like it's really hard to finish last and keep positive about it.

So the longevity comes that I think people see it for what it is.

Obviously, you mentioned in your day job you get to come across people and have conversations around it but how do you ensure your own personal development and whether that's as a let's say a running specific coach or just like general coaching practice are there things that you build into your week your month your year be that conferences developing how do you stay yourself at the sharper edge of coaching knowledge