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And our mantra has been we always want to maximize people's IP.

And I think, you know, we're, we're just, we're using that to our, our best effect now.

'Cause I think in today's investment landscape, um, people are rolling back to the IPs that they know and trust and have brought them revenue in.

And, and that fits with our expertise.

You know, we worked well, I mean, last week, I think last, last night, I don't know when it was shot, but you were speaking to Sheldon Carter at, at Digital Extremes.

We, you know, we've got a long relationship working with them on Warframe now that's going really well.

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right?

I can't speak highly enough of the place as a place to raise children, do all those sorts of things, but there's so much surf there.

It's somewhat challenging in that a lot of the places you surf, you've got to climb down cliffs, not really, but down steps, certainly around bells, but bells itself... is an incredibly special place.

As you say, you drive over that hill and get a glimpse of the valley that defines Bells.

It's a great sight.

I think it has a lot to do with it being protected.

You know, one of the really unique things about the surf community in Torquay and Janjak is that they recognised in 1971 that they'd had an effect on the place in the previous decade, that they'd damaged the place, burning the bushes, you know, to keep warm on the beach and things like that.

Surfing is very individual, so sometimes you're in your own head a lot of the time, but to

you actually How did communicating without sound shape the way that, I guess, you read people and the world as you grew up and today?

Yeah, it had a massive effect, you know, a very profound effect.

Mum's education was Catholic, an all-girls boarding school for girls only.

It was rigid.

It was pre-World War II when societies, I guess... way of dealing with people with what we would call differences today were put in institutions and really often taken away from their families.

Mum said to me once that she had it drilled into her by the nuns that taught her that trying to speak was to make ugly noise.

Through that I think she developed very strong facial expressions and body language.

I'm sure a fair few folks that have been listening to this podcast have been nodding their head where that exact experience that situation and making decisions or you had to go about it?