So, you know, the Hopi culture, we're used to seeing the stars and relating to star elders.

And, you know, I got interested in the whole Hopi ceremony, ceremonial cycle, and their whole idea of rituals and how they are trying to keep the earth in balance.

The Hopi are one of the most traditional indigenous tribes in the country and they've kept their tradition the longest.

They've been living here in Arizona for over a thousand years in the same buildings and they've probably been here something like three or four thousand years in this region.

So, you know, it's a very, it's layered over with a lot of Indian spirits and Native American beliefs about the sacredness of the earth.

And it's a whole realm that, you know, once you come out to the west, you probably know what I mean.

Mm

... differences.

Okay, let's flip that.

What do we have in common? Can we create a situation in which the salience of shared identity becomes more elevated? And so I engaged in a number of exercises that were based in sociology around how can we surface the things we hold in common so that we can align around those things and not focus on the social distance that exists, and it's what's, what I call a pronoun progression, going from us and them orientation to a you and I orientation.

Yeah, the Irish I don't like, but Gerry, he's all right.

He's one of the good ones.

Okay

So there is some, you know, skin in the game regarding those scores.