What got you, what was it about football that drew you back into the game?

Well, it, it was a situation where I'd never really wanted to leave, but, uh, looking back, God had plans for us, um, to go back to Dallas.

Uh, you know, I was able to go to every football game.

Uh, my oldest son, who's now a coach at Central Arkansas, you know, was able to, uh, spend time with my two younger sons.

Uh, obviously my daughter too.

But, um, it was just a time where, you know, things that had happened by leaving football probably wouldn't have happened if I had stayed in football.

So God always knows what he's doing, and it's just, you know, it's, it's our responsibility to, by faith, follow what he has for us to do.

Uh, and do you think most of those have been good changes or not good changes?

What do you remember about your time here before at Southern Miss? Before

when I got here, it was a brand new job for me.

I had been in construction but had been a GA for Coach Fedora at Middle Tennessee and then went back into personal private business, came back and he made me his DFO, Director of Football Operations.

And so it was a brand-new job for me.

I didn't really know what it all entailed, you know, the ins and outs of every aspect of what it was.

I kind of joked around, and when people asked me what I did, I just said I just did everything else that the other coaches did not want to do.

So, you know, all the stuff, the normal stuff, travel and just logistics of getting the guys where they're supposed to be.

Did you give it much thought? I mean, did Blake Anderson, was that kind of the determining factor there? You wanted to work with Blake a little bit, or were you ready just to get back into football? It was