What could change if governments treated the socialization of boys differently? as a form of violence prevention? We

know that violence is not biologically wired into being male.

So if we're not born violent, we are conditioned and learn violence.

And we know how that happens.

We witness it at home.

Two-thirds of boys that we talk to in any survey, just about in any part of the world, has either witnessed or experienced violence from a male peer or another man.

That is one of the biggest drivers of men's use against women, as well as violence against other boys and men.

Tell us a little bit more about that campaign and why you chose to focus on fatherhood and caregiving versus, you know, other aspects of this problem.

Love

that.

And yeah, decided, you know, or as... as one does in the middle of a Chicago winter, said, oh, let's, like, let's, you know, let's have a child.

You know, crazy thing in the middle of she was full-time working, I was doing some research consulting work at the University of Chicago while working on my PhD.

And, you know, we hadn't really stopped, or I hadn't really stopped, I should say me, hadn't stopped to think about we live in a country that has no guaranteed paid parental leave.

Right.

So this was 1997.

What what conclusions did you draw from that or how did it change you and shape your life and your work and intersect with all the things that we're talking about here?

... that's when you let it go.

Yeah.

When, when my parents, you know...

My, my parents were sort of silent about it.

They didn't ask more questions, and I don't, you know...

I, I know the challenges of being a parent, so I don't wanna...

You know, I, I think I could look back years later and just go, they felt helpless, and like they had failed as parents, and that it was kind of too harsh for them even to be able to look at it.

Yeah.