Tell me a bit about your journey to where you got to today.

Well, my journey kind of started, feels like a long, long time ago now.

25 years ago, I was a bit of a lazy lad at school, I guess.

And in year 10, we had a bit of work experience.

that I didn't arrange.

So my mum kind of arranged for me, bless her.

But it was the best thing she did.

When you are recruiting and when you take young people into your team, do you prefer... to take on or is there a preference between people that are completely new so people in your situation when you were 15 you've never worked in catering you've never worked in a in a in a kitchen and you're stepping into both you know chefing and the care sector green and completely fresh or do you prefer taking on you know someone who's experienced in the kitchen a fantastic chef and sort of coach them into the care sector or is there or does it matter you know role per role Where are you at? Well, for