Um, and Gabriel, I mean, people can listen to the entire podcast about you, but, um, w- [laughs] give us a little bit of a, of a, a penny tour of the-

Sure.

Um, Apparatus was founded in 2012.

Um, and, you know, over the course of the last now 16 years, I've come to understand what I do as creating an envelope for human experience.

It's really thinking about how to calibrate choices that create an environment in which I hope a certain kind of experience will happen.

And, um, [smacks lips] lighting found me.

That was sort of my entrance into this world, this way of thinking about space.

Yeah.