[laughs] I usually ask my guests who come on, how did you get this job anyway?

Yeah, good question.

Uh, through laziness and procrastination and, uh, avoiding reality, I somehow fell into a, a role with the company that I started, um, where we, we somehow...

I, I, I'm just able to spend my time making the things that come up in my brain with my friends-ish, people that I like who I think also like me.

Uh, but by no means did, did MSCHF start or I, you know...

There was never, like, a grand plan or a grand business model for MSCHF where it's like, "All right, yeah, like, let's go do this." And I definitely didn't grow up thinking, "Oh, I wanna be a founder or a CEO." It-- Like, when I say I, this kind of, like, happened sort of like snowball becoming a bigger thing into an avalanche, like, it really kind of happened that way.

Should I explain, like, what MSCHF is first maybe-

Yeah

[laughing]

So we take it to Miami.

Somehow we, like, get our way into a gallery, and we get into a booth.

And on day one, people are actually, like, a little bit hesitant to engage, which I totally get it.

It's a little bit shady.

It's participatory.

I understand.

[laughing]

Yes, but explain it for the listener.

Totally.

So, it's like, uh, it's this old paradox where imagine you have this, like, large wooden ship.

And every day over seven years, you're coming up with a new piece of wood identical to a piece of wood on the ship and you are swapping it out.

The question is, after seven years, is it the same ship or is it a different ship? We found that, uh, a very interesting question.

And so we decided to, uh, apply that in our own way to a sink located in the American wing of the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Hmm.

And it's kind of become like less novelty based and more vanity based, which is fine.

Yes, but explain it for the listener.

Totally.

So it's like, uh, it's this old paradox where imagine you have this, like, large wooden ship and every day over seven years, you're coming up with a new piece of wood identical to a piece of wood on the ship and you are swapping it out.

The question is, after seven years, is it the same ship or is it a different ship? We found that, uh, a very interesting question and so we decided to, uh, apply that in our own way to a sink located in the American wing of the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Mm-hmm.

Which is fine.

That's like a fundamental human instinct, so I get it.

Um, I would continue to love to find a way to not use the platforms to disseminate information, and that's kind of how we started.