From your vantage point, when you think about no-till, where do you think the science is right now in terms of substantiating or failing to substantiate its benefits?

I guess there's kind of two sides to that.

In, in reading in my experience with the science, there's plenty of experiments and science that's been done in the short term.That may not show the greatest benefits of it, but when you start to look at studies that are longer term and involve not just till and no-till, but, but coupling that with other more holistic or regenerative management practices, that's when you begin to see the real benefits from it.

So if you go online and you find a, a research paper or an article or, or, um, a magazine article, something that is just looking at a season or two of s- tilling versus no-tilling with- without any other kind of coupled variables in there, there's...

It's probably not gonna look very good for the no-till side of things.

But if you start to look at the, the more holistic picture of if you're starting with no-till and the next steps of using cover crops and, and paying more attention to fertilizer use and things like that over a, you know, multiple seasons of time, that's when you're gonna start to see the results showing more benefits from not just the no-till, but the no-till and the other practices that start to come along with it once you start to get your toes wet in the regenerative practices, I think.

And, and as far as farmers, you've got your kind of peer pre- or not peer pressure, but peer review, like their neighbors and other farmers that they're seeing, and the ability for them to access things online as well.

Yeah.