Again, in your book, you often talk about the resilience of ecosystems if they are left alone to do their own thing rather than intervening.

Yeah, I've looked quite a lot at the people talk about reforesting the world.

Clearly, we've lost a lot of forests.

Clearly, that's done a huge amount of damage to the climate and to biodiversity and many other things.

It's a major issue.

But we can have more trees.

We are having more trees.

And actually, you've seen that it sort of encapsulates your optimism.

And sometimes I think if you're an environmentalist or someone who obviously we should all care about the planet, it's hard to decide, like, you can't do everything, right? If you had one thing that you could fix, which I guess i- in a way, your body of work, each book is kind of focusing one area, what would be that area that you would focus on, or where do you see the most hope and progress?

I think it's the ability of nature to recover.

If we're talking about a planet which is going to continue to provide the life support systems that we need for nature and for humans, and essentially those are both the same, we need to maximize nature's ability to do its thing.

We live on a planet where nature has been evolving and adapting and moving on and changing constantly for hundreds of millions of years.

I'm in favor of rewilding, absolutely, but I'm not in favor of rewilding when it's kind of trying to put back what was there before and just plant stuff and tend it and treat it like a garden.

We have to let nature run wild, if you like.

The wilding bit really matters because nature will do it best, but also because you can't go back.

You talked a little bit about growing up in Kent, but at, at that time, who were those teachers and mentors, as scientists, who inspired you to not just document the bad news, but to hunt for that human ingenuity and-

And sometimes I think if you're an environmentalist or someone who obviously we should all care about the planet, it's hard to decide, like, you can't do everything, right? If you had one thing that you could fix, which I guess i- in a way your body of work, each book is kind of focusing on area, what would be that area that you would focus on, or where do you see the most hope and progress?

I think it's the ability of nature to recover.

If we're talking about a planet which is going to continue to provide the life support systems that we need for nature and for humans, and essentially those are both the same, we need to maximize nature's ability to do its thing.

We live on a planet where nature has been evolving and adapting and moving on and changing constantly for hundreds of millions of years.

I'm in favor of rewilding, absolutely, but I'm not in favor of rewilding when it's kind of trying to put back what was there before and just plant stuff and tend it and treat it like a garden.

We have to let nature run wild, if you like.

The wilding bit really matters because nature will do it best, but also because you can't go back.

You talked a little bit about growing up in Kent, but at, at that time, who were those teachers and mentors, uh, scientists who inspired you to not just document the bad news, but to hunt for that human ingenuity and-