if I could get a job as a DJ

that summer.

I was excited about radio.

And they said, do you have your second class license? And I said, what's that? And learned what it was, studied the book, took a bus into New York City to take the test, showed up that June with my second-class license in hand, and they said, well, we don't really have any openings.

Did you think we had offered you a job? Well, a couple days later, they said, somebody has left, and we're willing to give you a try.

And so I worked that summer as a DJ, and this was 1967.

And Carlton Haney had moved the Bluegrass Festival from Fincastle, Virginia, where he began it in 1965.

Tell that story, how that all came together.

So what were some some experiences that you guys had working together?

Well, when Frank went to the Broadway Deli and ordered kosher hog ears, that was pretty memorable.

The Greenbrier Boys actually – Bob Dylan opened for them at the – what was it? Um, somebody's folk city, Gertie's, Gertie's folk city was where we played.

Um, there was a bluegrass community in New York.

Uh, Pete, Peter Wernick had a bluegrass radio program on WKCR from Columbia.

Um, there was a WBAI, the, the listener sponsored radio station in New York had, had a country music show that played old time country music and bluegrass.

Bill Vernon was on that.

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What makes Cincinnati and Dayton the same type of an impact when it comes to bluegrass as a genre?

Well, we were an industrial region.

It's about 50 miles centered on Middletown, which includes Cincinnati and Dayton all the way up to Springfield and out into Indiana.

It's a region which was rich... with factories.

And even that goes back to it being rich because of the aquifer, the water that's underneath this ancient buried valley aquifer.

And so there was plenty of water supply.

It was a great place to do mills before electricity and then became a continuing center of industry.

Yeah.