listeners if you can hear that like background noise that you don't you're not used to normally it just you know soak up it's about it's the vibe yeah maybe the fringe but before we sort of get into your show this just got rid of as a podcast all about creative careers the reality of doing them i know you're both pursuing your own sort of creative careers and stuff but can you just sort of introduce yourselves both first then tell the like listeners a bit about yourselves like what you do for a living and and how you'd sort of make that work yeah of

course just a little Yes, I am a theatre director primarily.

I did write Common Tongue but I think I don't write very much else really like I'm much more of a theatre director now.

I sort of started I guess like in youth theatre as a teenager and I sort of thought I wanted to be an actor, very quickly realised that I did not want to be an actor It's a common one isn't it? Yeah and when I was in high school I got really into like filmmaking and stuff and so when I left high school I went to do the film making undergraduate degree at the Conservatoire in Glasgow and I had a really good time but sort of like very quickly just really missed theatre and I think what's so great about that school is that it's obviously so cross-disciplinary so you're sort of in with actors and composers and I really quickly was like I really miss being in like theatre environments and I think I hadn't quite connected the dots that you could work in theatre and not be an actor I think that hadn't felt like it was like a viable path I suppose for a job but while I was at RCS I kind of did a little bit of like student theatre stuff a little bit of like you know making my own little bits and bobs and I finished that course in 2020 so it was a pretty bad time to be like going into the world of work and so I spent a couple of years like trying to work as a freelance director in Scotland which was really really hard for lots of reasons I was kind of directing my own work really was kind of writing and co-writing stuff just to have something to direct and something to make and I was able to do a little bit of that but I was really like you know kind of flying with the seat of my pants felt like I was really like kind of making up as I went along was trying to get like assistant director work and that was really hard at the time still is really hard and then I worked with a really incredible director at one point I was speaking to them about it and they sort of suggested a directing masters in London at Birkbeck which I ended up going to do was really lucky enough to like get into and get a scholarship because you know it's really expensive and I sort of wouldn't have been able to go and do that directed masters without that support financially and that course was really really really incredible and sort of instilled a lot of like confidence and allowed me time and space to like think about

I've got um last question for you so we ask everyone that comes on the show what their closing advice would be to anyone that wants to sort of do what they do to

do what I do I guess my closing advice is like I think there is an element of you you're not going to be handy that show you know no one's going to be like oh great thank god you've emailed me perfect I've actually got a show come and do it or here's you know loads of money I think especially as a director you do have to prove that you can do the job to yourself as well and you know I think that is hard and expensive and time consuming but you know I think no one is going to turn around and be like and give it to you I think you do have to uh fight in the trenches a little bit and just like grab any opportunity to get actors together and get a venue and put a show on that's the only way that it's that thing of like the only way to learn it is to do it really um so i suppose my advice if it's any advice is like just do whatever you possibly can to direct something and then you've done something and you can learn from that and then do the next one i think what is like starting starting is the best way to continue you know and no one you're actually especially if you're just beginning or you're early stages you're actually like not entitled to to get that really big funded show you sort of have to especially in an environment where there's so little resource I think you do have to you do have to for yourself more than anyone else build a sense of who you are and how you want to work as an artist and I think you have to just start by yourself and hope that then people start to pay attention do you know absolutely that's great

We hope you enjoy this message from St Martin C3, a location of C3 Church, Christchurch.

Good morning.

For those of you who don't know me, my name is Fraser Scott, I'm part of the key team here, and I get the privilege this morning to close out our Missions Month series on bridge building, in which we've tried to get quite practical and share some advice and ideas on how we can have meaningful and successful gospel conversations with people who do not know the Lord that we know and celebrate and love.

And so this is the fifth of five.

And if you cast your mind back about a month, we started with Warren who shared about our need to be hungry for God, which is so important as a foundation for sharing our faith.

We need to spill over in abundance, if you like, really develop that passion for God to enable us to share his message effectively.

And then Jonty stepped in and, in a really practical way, I think, explained the need for us to open our lives, to have room in our lives for relationships and conversations with people and make space to share the message that we have.

Perhaps you would have preferred that.