And if you would apply that advice to yourself, how would you formulate to others what you like to do?

Well, I'm very much interested in atmospheres.

That's a bit vague, but you also asked me what sort of books I like.

And I came to some children's books because they opened a sort of new world for me.

I like to meet people and opening a new world.

Yeah, I love to meet people and find out how their world is.

And when I'm in my job, I like to find out how they can blossom.

Maybe you would like to talk a bit about it and in what way it is maybe kind of detour for you, Frans.