Ooh, okay.

I think I had, like, a f- a 13 rack, 16, 18.

That was, like, a classic kit.

And I wound up donating that kit years later to my...

My wife had a band at that time, and they had a studio and all that.

I donated that kit to them 'cause they didn't have gear and, and whatnot.

But yeah, I used that kit for, for all the start stuff.

Just wild how that happened.

[laughs]

So, um, you know, I got gum thrown in my hair on the bus and jumped and, you know, all that stuff.

And, um, I just, you know, lived in my own world and just wanted to go home and play drums, and I didn't let it, you know, defeat me i- in any way.

Um, but now, you know, the bullying is just...

These kids can't escape it.

They go home, and it's on social media.

It's just, it's everywhere.

You know what I mean? [laughs] I'm like, "Oh."

When you're figuring out how you want to play for Heaven and Hell, was there any different approach that you had for how you wanted to perform on it? That was

interesting because we had all the time in the world because that was during COVID.

We had no touring.

We had no record deal.

We had no release plan.

No record deal at that time.

We had nothing.

But is there anything shocking in your new book that somebody else wrote about you that you didn't maybe have a fully understanding or grasp about what they thought?

So it's how have you reconciled? I guess tell people as much as you want about your dad's relationship and how that impacted you.

So my father was someone that never dealt with his own baggage from his relationship with his parents, you know, and all I think the years of that baggage.

Like he was he was a great dad when I was a kid because I didn't know about.

Right.

He kept it kind of.

Exactly.

He was there with any drum lessons taking me to baseball games like he was a great dad.

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Which was really

cool.

And, like, the festival owner was just so appreciative that, you know, I was able to give something to the Sum 41 fans who were bummed.

Yeah.

help them out, like all this stuff.

So it went so well that when it all ended, I said, hey guys, like obviously I hope things work out with your drummer, but this was so fun.

I don't, my band's ending.

And