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[laughs] Um, yeah, that was a beautiful thing actually.

So I ne- I had a poster of Chuck on my wall when I was younger from his Hot Water Music days.

And when I say poster, it wasn't really a poster, it was an, it was an advert from the back page of a zine or something that had just a poster of Chuck kind of going, "Rah," at, like, at Common Ground in Gainesville or something, and I had it stuck up on my wall.

And, um, I'm still not 100% sure how, but Chuck became aware of what I was doing and offered me four shows on the Revival tour, the first one in 2008.

And, um, and I was blown away by it because at the time I was doing a few shows in America, but it was incredibly hand-to-mouth DIY touring with some, um, friends of mine in vans, or I did a coffee shop tour in a car with a friend of mine and no one came.

[laughs] Um, and we drove like 8,000 miles or something and played to like eight people.

Okay.

What can we expect from The Road to Lost Evenings?

So The Road to Lost Evenings, I mean, it serves a couple of different functions.

I mean, partly, you know, it's just an excuse to play more shows, which is always fine with me, and to visit spots we haven't been to before.

We'll be in Buffalo, we'll be in Pittsburgh, we'll be in Atlantic City, some places we haven't stopped in in a while.

There is also a degree to which they are literal warm-ups in the sense that my band, The Sleeping Souls, refer to Lost Evenings every year as the annual exam Because we play four nights and we play, we don't do no repeats quite, but we're getting close to that over time.

You know, we play a lot of material that doesn't necessarily feature in the regular set list.

If you're on a normal tour, I always try and have a few kind of deep cuts, should we say, in a set list.

And now kind of in the same vein of what made Buffalo a good place to stop, what made Dallas a good place for lost evening time?

been

done.

I just think that there's a lot of cliches about first albums and second albums, and it's kind of about third albums as well.

And by the time you get to an eighth album, first of all, there's no roadmap.

Do you know what I mean? And secondly, to a degree, you're kind of inarguable.

The fact that I'm putting out my eighth record, and it's still at the level that it's at, and we're still playing the kind of shows we're playing...

You know, there are people who don't like my music in the world, and that's fine.

so are there any that jump out that you can kind of give a brief kind of here's this amazing woman, how can I not

[laughs]

It's like the bottom line is, is if you just think about it for a minute, th- that's how you get over any sort of new disease, is that you reach a certain point whereby enough members of the population have had it and have, you know, have antibodies in the system, and this is a much, uh, more realistic and quicker and easier way than getting a vaccine or getting a cure and all this kind of thing.

Or at least that is a valid scientific approach to the problem.

But everybody kind of went, "So you just wanna kill everyone?" And, and it turned into this sort of PR disaster, so they ended up rolling it, rolling the whole thing back.

And it just ...

W- One of the other things that I think this whole situation has highlighted which is less good in terms of social media and the way that we interact with each other on social media is that every fucker thinks that they're an instant expert on social media.

Okay.

There's a narrative arc to the set list.

So what's the next song after Descendancy? Thank you.

Given what we've been chatting about, and I have had this one on deck for a minute here, I would very much like to pick a Sex Pistols song.

We were just chatting about them.

Also, the Descendants, an American punk band, there's a long and boring debate about whether or not punk rock started in the States or in the UK.

I am something of a diehard Sex Pistols defender myself.

And I think that if you listen to the Ramones and then listen to, never mind, I don't know if I can say the title on this without cussing, but the Sex Pistols album, you know, it's very clear to me that the charisma and spirit and all that kind of thing of punk rock very much comes from the Sex Pistols and from John Lydon specifically.

John Lydon's said some problematic things in recent years.

okay so i just want to ask three uh questions just your just three favorite things of yours and and it's about you your your about about you and your music what's your favorite song that you've ever done

Yeah,

you're not taking into account the needs of the people around you, which is what all of us have to do in all of our political thoughts and actions.

Yes.

not only consider your own benefit but consider the effects of your actions on the people around you and it's just I know I'm saying this because I'm a tall person in our flight economy but it's just like and if it's an overnight flight and everyone's doing it that's debatable but it's like you know I've had somebody crack my laptop screen before because the plane takes off and they just go clunk And it's just like, could you not? Do you know what I mean? And they're just like, what? And it's like, cool, you're allowed to vote.

I paid for my ticket, I'm allowed.

It's just a

I ain't no pansy.

a Taylor Swift cover on my social media one time because I think she's a great songwriter and it turns out there was more overlap between her audience and mine than I had anticipated a lot of people got very excited about it which was nice because again like I say I think she's a really good songwriter and her audience's thing is friendship bracelets In a way that's really nice, actually.

[laughs]

But I mean, I think, like, anybody, any time two songwriters of any substance start talking to each other, and I'm being bold in putting us both in that category, but, like, [laughs] um, yeah, sooner or later you just start talking about country, because there is a c- perfection to a Willie Nelson song, and a simplicity, a perfection and simplicity that not many other genres even attempt, you know? And there's something about when I listen to, um, any Bowling for Soup song you wanna talk about, uh, I mean, fucking, um, Girl from Rockshow '95, whatever.

But, and you know, I think about songs that I've done, like Substitute for the Senseless or whatever.

There is a, there is, there is, under the hood there is a nod to that kind of simplicity of songwriting, even if the kind of s-... stylistic form doesn't necessarily bleed over into it.

I think, Jaret, you gave the game away in that a bit by your solo records, which I love incidentally.

Oh, good

... really, really sweet and lovely.

And, and, you know, the, the guy organizing it, Falgi, is, is an incredible human who does wonderful, wonderful work for people who really need it, and blah, blah, blah.