And so do you feel like you were definitely a part of, of planting those seeds?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

And, uh, and yeah, and I did that for four years.

And then right out of college, um, well, during college at the end of my senior year, got a phone call from my aunt- from my mom letting me know about my aunt, and that, you know, she, you know, my, my, my parents were working in the legal field and they...

I had a lot of free time at Columbia and on campus.

I said, "Sure, I'll go with her." She needed to go to a medical appointment, and she was sick at the time, and we went to a medical appointment.

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