They soon decided it was time to give New Zealand a go.

um my partner had said oh i really want you to meet my my friend slash family and and so there was a there wasn't a tattoo convention it was a little like um hand poke hand tap um small little convention i don't even remember where it was but somewhere in the city And got there, and I think I was in New Zealand for like two, three weeks.

I was really struggling on understanding even how people talk because I had no idea the accent would be different.

And I was like, oh my gosh, people are speaking English, but I can't understand them.

I was like, wow.

I don't know.

I was so fascinated by it because I saw another side of tattooing, which was more of a ceremonial, ritualistic, spiritual aspect of it.

I mean, I don't want to talk like you're never coming back, but you are leaving in July, so...