It changes the course of your life.

It does change the course of your life, and one of the things that I'm constantly reflecting on, Alicia, is the fact that, like... like, the role that luck plays in our lives, and I don't think we talk about it enough 'cause we still have this, this focus on rugged individualism.

"It's because of me and because of what I did." No, we all have gotten so much help to get to where we are, and luck has played a significant role.

And so for me, it came in the form of Mrs. Gonzalez in the fifth grade.

So it was pre-internet, pre-social media.

A flyer arrives at PS 188.

It's handed out to fifth grade teachers, and they say to them, "Identify high-performing kids of color in your class.

I realized it wasn't for me, but I got an MBA, and then I went out to change the world in education." It's like, no, you were feeling that way through all of it.