But what has helped morph you into a leader? Were you a leader before you went into private practice? Or has that been something you've stepped into?

So I would say that my like my overall personality is has usually been the one to kind of take charge, you know, in school for working on a group project, you know, I usually end up You know, whether it's helpful or not, I end up being the person that's, you know, organizing who's doing what and whatever.

And so I think there's kind of that natural tendency there.

But there's it's kind of like, you know, you think about.

how all of the different pressures and temperatures that you experience as a leader do kind of morph you into the way that you do end up leading.

And so as a leader, I would say that I've really had to, as most of us probably have, straddle that line between clinical and business.

How do we bridge between what we're doing clinically with our clients who are essentially customers And the business side, and when you think about the people aspect of it, our clinicians who are working with us, they're also kind of like our customers, right? Like we want to be of service in such a way that we can create sort of this community or this container for awesome things to happen, whether it's for the clinicians as they're expanding themselves professionally, as they're showing up for their clients.

Did you stay in that office or was that a first expansion for you?