In general, I

would say it's just life, you know.

I studied electrical engineering and went into the car manufacturing industry for the science departments or how cars could look like in 20 years at this time.

Unfortunately, it wasn't electrical cars for Robert Bosch now.

but yeah it was very interesting to know to get to know this industry which is one of the biggest industry that we got in Europe and also very on a high level on process level so very cool entry I would say for me at least and yeah moved to more oil and gas big industrial plants company Linde Engineering which was also quite interesting learning curve very internationally very like product-orientated, a big technology company where you can learn a lot and you're responsible for quite a lot of money in a short term of time because everything is just huge.

And then actually...

I had done an MBA at the WHU in Dusseldorf and met my now co-founders at this time.

Maybe I feel like that for founders, like probably the most essential skill is just having this unshaken belief in what you're doing, right? And not giving up and not being, yeah, like trying to protect yourself from all this negativity that is going on around you, right? How do you how do you deal with that?