Yeah,

exactly.

But he accurately represented us.

And it was after that in like 2023 where I started chatting with him.

And, you know, we didn't really always get along.

We disagreed on a lot.

But he was at least, for the most part, polite.

And,

Mm

... and I go through everything why it can't be there.

But the other big people, there's this new kid on the block whose name is Michael Button, and he's as fraudulent as you could ever be.

He actually has a degree in ancient history and archeology from the u- uh, U- University of Birmingham.

So a really good university with a really good program in this stuff, and he just straight up lies about all these things.

And he, he is entirely a Joe Rogan-created creature, where he had, like, 100 subscribers-

Mm-hmm

... pure hatred for us.

So periods where people were using shellfish as a subsistence base, it's really important to look at those sites on land and say, "What are the factors? What environmental patterns or cultural patterns can we tease out of these larger distribution?" And then we project it offshore, and if we're fortunate, then after we pull all those threads together, this is what we get.

This material is there to find, even though it's very much ephemeral material from hunter-gatherer camps.

And this is oftentimes outcrops of stone for making these kinda stone tools.

So that's what they're actually finding, is where they're making it, looking at the geomorphology to find them.

It's a painted cave.

It's 115 feet underwater, off the coast of Marseille, found recently in 1985 by Henri Cosquer, and it's dated to 27,000 and 19,000 years ago, and dated by radiocarbon.

It's actually the painted cave with the most radiocarbon dates from it, right? And this is what we have.

Well done, Flint.

The voice of archeology reason, I prefer to think of you.

Yeah.

[laughs] Exactly.

And so in this sense, I mean, what I see is I see an oval rock shape formation, which is really, really cool, and, uh, it, it, it needs investigation.

Why geologically could this have happened? Is there any archeology associated with it? But sort of as usual, I'm here saying, "Show me some archeological evidence." And there's been coring done.

There's been a range of remote sensing done.

And so far, uh, there's multiple geological reports that show everything there is natural.

Would you as an atheist archeologist in that moment of discovery admit you've been wrong all the time and be a believer in God?

Yes.

Yeah, so there they're eating a lot of goats.

So it's a very goat-heavy diet in terms of the animal protein.

Of course, we also have a lot of plants as well.

In particular, what's interesting is because they abandoned the settlement, suddenly they took their valuables with them, right? Right.

And so they took their sacks of grain, they took their animals with them for the most part.

They did have a little sacrificial ritual afterwards.

The Stymphalian birds.

So tell my audience who you are and what you bring to this trip.

So my name is Flint Dibble and I'm an archaeologist and I specialize on the archaeology of the Mediterranean world.

So that's up the alley here because we're going to be hitting up a bunch of different places in the Western Mediterranean between Spain and France and the Balearic Islands.

And so so for me, my one of my well, OK, so I'm an environmental archaeologist and I'm an archaeological scientist for my day job.

But I also host a YouTube channel and I sort of aggressively, not aggressively, assertively combat fake archaeology.

and particularly the strands that relate to Atlantis.

So kind of, you know, the lost civilization from an Ice Age type thing, the type of thing that Graham Hancock and other people like him, you know, that they try to sell you in book and podcast and TV show format.

Same as he did with Phil Plait when he, when Phil Plait went on with, it was Rogan and Phil Plait on Penn Jillette's podcast.

Professor Dibble, what do you think?

All right.

First of all, thank you for having me.

I love sharing archeology with a wide audience.

And, uh, look, I'm just gonna be frank here.

I think that, uh, I would love this kind of stuff to be true, but it is total bullshit.

It is absolute and utter bullshit for so many different reasons.

... establish the truth?

... establish the truth?

Okay, so think about this, think about this.

Already, they have drilled into the Giza Plateau on various hydrological studies.

They've excavated into the Giza Plateau quite deep.

Underneath the Great Pyramid, they recently found the Osiris shaft.

So, this is actually happening currently at Giza, these kinds of investigations.

But what we're talking about here is testing two kilometers underground on a sensitive archeological site, to test a method that can be tested elsewhere.

(laughs)