Yeah.

Um, I grew up in Virginia, uh, and I married, I met a, a person from here in New York that I married, and we ended up moving back here.

Um, we were visiting my parents in DC, and we went to look at the newest building in the Smithsonian Institution called the Renwick Gallery, which is, uh, the, now the branch that focuses on design and craft.

Their inaugural show was five hand woodworkers, and we took a look at that and thought it looked like something that might be worth pursuing, as, to see if we could make a life out of it.

So we, uh, came back here.

I apprenticed to a furniture maker.

Carol, my wife, was working as the secretary of the social science division at Tougaloo College.

... was built, right? So.