So what was that experience for you?

That was a good question.

When I was at the point where I hated playing clubs, I hated what I'd become, and I think that happens to us when the Holy Spirit says, you don't really want to do this.

No, I don't.

I don't want to play Proud Mary three times a night.

I have a degree in trumpet and a postgraduate work at Yale and Aspen Music Festival.

And so I felt there's got to be something better than this, you know.

And let's get back to today's episode.

Yes.

Uh, then we got to know him a little bit.

And then, and then we did this, uh, ministry, uh, called Expo '72 in Dallas, Texas, and it was Billy Graham and Campus Crusade and Bill Bright.

Uh, 80,000 people a night in the Cotton Bowl, and we became the backup band for a Sunday thing.

They had a s- I mean, a Saturday festival, uh, called Expo '72, and they built a big stage in Dallas, and, uh, they had quarter of a million people there.

Wow

... and, uh, yeah, I've recorded strings in Seattle and, uh, LA and, uh, Dallas.

I've done a lot in Dallas in the '80s and '90s.