Yeah

... everyone has kind of, uh, uh, you know, realized is terrible anyway.

But, um, uh, I think it's actually, yeah, totally satirizing also of a, of a kind of ultra nihilistic position.

Like, it's much more, um, joyous than that, than that kind of thing, I think anyway.

But, um, [laughs] yeah, I mean, I'm very happy for it to be, like, um, interpreted in completely opposing ways and, and, and I mean, even apart from positive and negative responses, I think having the actual interpretation being ve- be- having very kind of distinctly different interpretations is something I'd be kind of quite, uh, happy to have happen.

Um, it is, like I flag in the book, um, Mike Kelley, uh, who ...

I mean, for people, for people who are, you know, more interested in literature than, um, than any, than, you know, anything happening in contemporary art, which I mean is also me as well.

Is this the one where Bart gets really famous?