You weren't

too far off, I think.

I think it's a unique corporate culture and actually one that works quite well.

But I learned to appreciate it later, right? I would say it that way.

It's... 18 is quite a young age to have that kind of reflection.

And so, yeah, I already started like thinking about business ideas, but I didn't really know how to do it or whether to do it.

And then I spent a semester abroad in the U.S. where I had like I had a course.

So what's your take on the evolution maybe over that period of the Hamburg startup scene, perhaps specifically in the food tech space?