What part of that journey shaped your thinking about systemic change the most?

All of them at different times have weighed in around the way I think about systemic racism and institutional racism and what that means.

Academia, you know, I'm going to say Australia has such a long way to go, you know, date stamping this conversation.

You know, we've just had the recognition and the observance of Anzac Day and what happened to Uncle Ray at Anzac Day.

And it simply came down to what have we done to you that makes you feel it's OK to be racist? So I think we still have so many challenges and that every one of those spaces has shone a light on where those inequities exist and the structures that continue to enable the colonial systems to be so pervasive in changing, whether it's small business procurement, whether it's understanding of government processes And how we engage in those, as I said, education, how we embed Indigenous knowledge systems into every facet of education from the moment young people are connected with our current educational system to all the way through to PhDs and doctoral programs and things like that, that Each of them has their own unique spotlight to highlight to Australia that we have so much work that we continue to do.

And in each one of those places, again, it's another and or.

You can't be an Indigenous business owner and be successful because that doesn't fit the stereotype of what Indigenous being a business owner should look.

Can you tell us a little bit about your thoughts and experiences and how you think about we can actually daily make choices, better choices with more awareness.