And how is that then when it is birthed and goes into the world and you get to experience that with the readers of your book, your fans?

It's so – it's strange.

I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm an introvert.

A lot of writers are.

So we're in a room by ourselves writing for years and then suddenly you're on the road with a microphone and talking to people and doing radio and – I know I'm so lucky, but, yeah, it's not easy.

I find that bit of it hard.

And I feel a kind of – this is really weird, but I feel a kind of shame and embarrassment.

and around that period I imagine I did read a little bit about that period of your life you were doing you were writing short stories is that correct and and were you getting them published and how was that experience not just the writing the stories but then thinking how do I make a living out of this