How did you come to realize that these issues you are seeing, seeing and working on locally in Kibra, you know, are also connected to much bigger conversations and decisions? And how has experience been at Desta? Could you take us through what that is like?

First of all, being a student of international relations, you need to be good at learning patterns and on how global debates go.

So the question is always about like in conservation, who owns the land, who benefits from it and who pays the price.

So like Hebrew stories, we had a forest.

Who owned it, who benefited from it and who was paying the price now.

And it works in other ways too, because something locally adds a bigger picture to the world.

Because if the estimates right now are 80% of the global diversity, biodiversity is in Africa, but we're only receiving 2% of climate finance.

What has being given that platform taught you about young people's ability to influence conservation and environmental decision-making?