Yeah, sure.

If you read his life story, Colin Powell wasn't always the important, highly successful individual he was.

He was very poor.

He came from a very poor background, very tough neighborhood.

He ends up going into the military.

Fast forward several decades later, he's one of the most respected men before he passes.

He did so much for this nation.

So I think that's so important of just, just, I mean, and that's, that's a personal ego level and then just, and a country level ego.