What's different about them? How was that transition like?

Yeah, I see it as I'm very lucky.

I'm very lucky, I suppose, as a captain and a young leader to walk into a dressing room where you had MS Dhoni, the captain, Stephen Fleming, the coach, who also was a fantastic captain for New Zealand.

My early years of the IPL was just stealing with my eyes and with my ears just to see what those guys did.

At the same time, I played under Graeme Smith in South Africa.

very lucky to have great leaders that was there to learn from i think that's the the starting point so that that's probably the thing that i was looking forward to most you know obviously you want to play in the ipl and you want to do well but for me personally it was just picking their brains so i sat next to fleming most of the time just asking questions as a I mean, I wasn't young.

I was 26, but I was young at heart in terms of trying to learn as much as I can because I really wanted to make use of that time to, as I said, just learn.

And then probably playing together roughly in the same teams.

like, okay, just follow the ball.

And the second thing was, okay, Stark reverse swing the ball so much.

So technically and tactically, what can we do to counter this? Because now we have to look inwardly on how we're going to problem solve what's in front of us.

And you said, let's go to super sports.

And that was later.

So we were just like, let's change our angle.

Like we were talking as a batting, let's change our angle.

That must have been a dream come true when the check cleared.