So how does it feel to watch someone come in with such armor and

It makes me a little bit emotional because that is Evelyn 10 years ago, right? Like I get to coach them through the things that I've already experienced and the person that I was.

But I think what do I see that they start recognizing that the strong one is not even who they are, is who they were conditioned to be and that they had to be strong so somebody else didn't have to.

It's not that they were over-organized or over-capable, it's that they were trained to be that so somebody else could slack off and be taken care of.

We were raised, right? We were raised to take care of everybody, to make them comfortable, to not disappoint them, but we were also raised to accept disappointing ourselves first and foremost, and to say that that is being humble.

So watching them take the smallest steps to feel like isolation is not a prize, you know? Doing little things like taking themselves out to dinner, dating themselves, spending time alone.

I see there are so many people like putting themselves in environments that they normally wouldn't go to art classes, festivals, things like that.

would say i see a spark