So how do you kind of motivate yourself to get through the, those hard days?

I started, so a couple years ago, so this is my fifth season doing shows and gigs and whatnot.

A few years ago, I started going to these shows and feeling like, what am I doing? I'm literally driving three hours, playing three hours, driving home, and what am I doing? And then I started adding in something that would make it more fun, more worthwhile, and that's what I started doing.

or creating more of that connection stuff.

At first it was telling friends, like, hey, you don't have to come to a show, but I'm going to be in Canmore at this time.

Afterwards, do you want to go explore? Right.

And then it just evolved into, like, now I don't know.

So when you think about what you are doing musically in five years, what does that look like?