uh case but like you were like was that an intentional thing were you like the timing now now that we have a little bit more uh uh time attention to give i mean obviously age was still a massive issue but but was that a conscious thing like this feels like a better time now to start really pushing on that

Yeah, so there was that first wave of marriage litigation in the very early 70s right after Stonewall.

All of them lost.

I wrote my paper in 1983.

I then, as a young attorney, I graduated law school after writing that thesis and came to work in New York.

And nights and weekends, I started volunteering at Lambda Legal.

And I spent the 80s basically As a junior attorney, volunteer at Lambda Legal, writing briefs for the community, right? Making cases, you know, the Bowers v.

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