Is that kind of what that is?

Yeah.

So when they're fracking this horizontal directional drilling and they have frack outs or what are sometimes called inadvertent returns, which is a nice euphemism.

Um, they've got a bunch of this stuff under pressure.

It's like bentonite clay and some additives and water.

And it's to help the drill path continue as it's supposed to along its path.

But you got a lot of stuff under pressure and, you know, stuff under pressure finds a way out and it'll shoot out where it's not supposed to go.

And it's just this sort of, you know, an environment doesn't get protected and the permits are basically meaningless.

Do you think when the DNR issued these permits, they fully considered these risks? You know, thought about, okay, you know, is there going to be a million gallons of liquid natural gas and other toxic chemicals spilled? And are we willing to put that risk on northern Wisconsinites?

Yeah, I mean, DNR obviously, DNR and its staff knew that a spill could happen and that that was something that needed to be looked at.

We've disputed, again, for years, the adequacy of that consideration because from where we stand, what basically happened was they knew this was a potential issue.

I mean, we're talking about an oil and gas pipeline, so leaking a spill is a real thing you have to contemplate.

And the department tried to do some assessments.

to figure out what the risk and severity of a spill would be.

But at the end of the day, what it says in the permit is basically just the risk of a spill is what Emerge's paid consultant said it was.

So what I've encountered a couple of lists, I guess, of inbridge issues in Wisconsin, what do we know about how the company operates here?