Um, Evan, for, for people who missed it or, or for people maybe it's, and it's been a few years since they listened, can you remind us of, of your role in that BBC podcast series, Where Is George Gibney?

I had very little role in it other than, uh, and thank you for having me on today, very little role other than guiding Mark in some, um, geographic locations and in contacting Gibney's, uh, where he, where he, where he lived.

Um, Mark Horgan deserves all the credit for that.

He did all the work and all the footwork.

Um, our org- our organization got involved with this case back in 2008 following a call from Justine McCarthy, who was trying to find George Gibney after he had moved to Florida.

Um, and we were able to find him for her.

Um, as a result of that, our organization is a child advocacy group, an NGO based in Miami, and I spend time in the courtrooms testifying on behalf of children who have been sexually abused.

Absolutely.