yeah

still working still working from home because it was I was I was at home during doing all the stuff through COVID doing all the liaison stuff through virtual everything teams meetings um but you know I was You know, I tried a few dating apps here and there just to, but I mean, I am not like, when you look at a dating app and you go like, okay, six feet tall, blue eyes, separated, two kids under the age of five.

Like that's not a green flag.

Let's just say that is not a green flag for most people.

So Cassie didn't know any of that.

Cause again, you're, you're meeting randomly.

It's not like she, she had no idea who I was.

Yeah.

Or was this like a passion project that you've been thinking about for a while that you wanted to make? How did it all come about?

This was a selfish, selfish decision to just film something cool with my dog is how it all began.

It had nothing to do with documentaries or film festivals or what other people wanted of me.

It was me and Nova having this bond that, you know, we had done, I'm willing to say up to that point, we had probably done over 20, 50K distances just in training over the period of, you know, four to five years that we were running together and kind of growing and building together.

And I had somebody reach out, one of the filmmakers, Lucas Collin, who reached out more because of the mental health advocacy stuff that I do within the ultra running world with my diagnosis and everything that I experience and helping other people understand that they don't have to go at it alone.

He kind of resonated with that story.

He reached out and he's like, oh, I want to do something with you.

That's a good one

You have your podcast, you're a speaker, like you're really advocating.

Yeah, it's, I think I got to the place where, what's the best way to describe this? I got to a place where everything that I experienced and everything that I had gone through myself, I started asking questions like, there's no way that it's just me.

Because at the beginning, you think that you are like man on an island all by yourself.

Nobody else is experiencing what you're experiencing.

And then you start to uncover the layers and you start to heal and you start to challenge the beliefs and the stories that you've created for yourself.

And you start to see things in other people.

And for me, as I started to see things in other people, I started to recognize that, man, like there are so many more people that are experiencing what I have experienced.

And I'm curious, what took you from 2022 to 2024? Because it was just different.