I mean, he could tell you things and tell you what he wanted done in a very subtle manner I mean it was it wasn't a directive he never did that he but he he let you know what he wanted done

I guess the thing to me that's that's great about it is Ted has always been very conscious conservation minded and and he's very concerned about taking care of the land I mean that's his thing he he would have never turned any of his property into a national park because he felt individuals take better care of the property because there's more of a sense of ownership.

And I think that's true.

I think that people that work for Ted have that same mindset.

They, they appreciate the land.

They care about what they're doing.

I mean, if you look at the tenure for a lot of people that work for Ted, working on a ranch is not easy and the tenure wouldn't be 10, 15, 20, 25 years working for somebody because it's not always the most fun job and if you didn't believe in what they stood for and what they were promoting the people wouldn't be doing that and I mean he's the nice thing has always been that there were projects that a normal landowner who's trying to scrape by would would want to do but would never have the extra funds to do it and and ted would take some of those projects on i mean yeah we he was always a businessman and you were always expected to make money but that wasn't the top priority taking care of the land and improving land was his number one priority i mean That was it.

So how does that ultimately the work you do find its way to other applicabilities for, you know, other private bison farmers and ranchers?