How about you, Eva? What's the big surprise for you?

I mean, it was Annie, let's be real.

Like we had just had that conversation the last time I was on the podcast, not that long ago.

And it, I mean, it's not, you asked me if I was happy and optimistic and I was like, no, that's not how I play.

Like, I don't, I don't do that.

I assume I'm losing until I'm winning.

And it also took me a while to like, pick up on the reality of what was happening but also it's it which is kind of crazy because i'm in a lot of these states like my team helped flip one of the state house seats in tennessee we were on the ground in texas like we were doing a lot of this work and it's just been such a long time since that work paid off that i was like oh it works i was starting to think it didn't work so that was really exciting i am less surprised about mississippi because mississippi is has been doing movement billing for a long time.

What are the things you think, number one, that the Democrats should have learned from this big win? And number two, addressing the idea that the big money that was spent against them In the, in these elections.

I am not from here.

Well, even if you were, I mean...

Yes, and.

Okay, I'm not going to disagree with you on stupidity as a problem.

But I do think there is a bit of victim blaming in it because it does not take into account that public education and civic education has been purposely eroded over the course of the last 50 years to the point where people don't have the resources to... intellectually fend for themselves and to be able to make some of these determinations.

Not only that, but then economically speaking, when you deal with Maslow's hierarchy of needs, people are just trying to survive.

They're just trying to survive.

so I

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I, I think it's...

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.

That said, this feels like 2018 in more ways than I can even count, um, down to, like, the Cornell Seven being the Me Too movement.

Um, in 2018 we had pipe bomb threats, and here in this cycle there's, you know, a lot of political violence threats and things like that.

Um, it feels, um...

Mm-hmm.