Is clothing reuse gaining traction? Is it becoming cool to say, "These clothes are being reused?" Is that, or is that a re- still a point of resistance in, in people who you might give a, a uniform to?

I think that, oh, in, oh, there's a, the, in the youth, there's a little disparity, I guess, between I could say the youth and the n- the more grown-up adults.

We live, uh, me and Desmond live 10 minutes away from San Francisco, and some people don't know this, but San Francisco is the thrift, one of the thrifting capitals of the nation.

And because of that, it's, it's very trendy.

I, I thrift.

A lot of kids love thrifting as hobbies.

It's, it's, uh, it's something fun to do on the weekends.

How do you imagine the world will be configured to support what your generation recognizes it needs to do with regard to reuse with creating a circular economy?