Or when you go into a restaurant where people can seat themselves and there are booths, you find that the first booths that get taken are those with a view to the door of the

theOf, of the restaurant because, you know, long, long ago, it would've been very handy for us to feel secure, like in a, in a booth, something protecting our back, but have a view out over the world around us and an ability to determine if danger was, was, was approaching.

So when in doubt, think lovely spring day and chipmunk.

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So really those visible elements are key, but the invisible elements, especially the ones you speak about, like noise and scent, how can those be taken into account when designing a space?

Sure.

Absolute- very important.

So one of the things we found in our-- f- the first paper we published with the, in the GSA study, the Well Built for Well-Being studies, we found that people in the open office design settings were more-- they moved more during the day, they were less stressed at night, they slept better at night, less fatigue the next day because they were moving more.

Clearly, it's a, you know, second big question of the day, but do you think a home can make you healthier as well?

It can make you healthier, and it can make you sicker.

Uh, you know, we spend, certainly in America, I think probably in Europe as well, or at least in Northern Europe, over 90% of our time indoors, and there's, um, since COVID, um, not before COVID, but since COVID, there is aMuch greater public realization of the importance of clean indoor air, because you saw during COVID all those animations around the, on the internet of the virus being spread through the ventilation systems, and that's absolutely true.

And in fact, uh, knowing that, that germs are spread, allergens, germs, and so on are spread through ventilation systems has been known for decades.

In fact, after I wrote my book, Well at Work: Creating Wellbeing in Any Workspace, which applies to creating wellbeing in any home space, I learned that Richard Lord Riley, a British, uh, person of, I guess, aristocracy descent, in the 1950s, I think it was, or earlier, had discovered that tuberculosis could be spread through the ventilation system by putting, uh, rats in a cage in a different room, but near the ventilation from a patient with tuberculosis in the other room.

And that was sort of one of the clearest, earliest definitions, uh, or sh- uh, that showed that you could spread germs through ventilation.

And then every 20 or 30 years or so, the public becomes more aware of this with, for example, Legionnaires' disease and sick building syndrome, and certainly with COVID, that these kinds of bacteria and certainly allergens and others can be spread through the ventilation.

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