And, um, and I am so grateful to have you here, Esther, and I'm hoping that maybe you can share with everybody a little bit about your, your prior work and what you're doing now, and what brought about writing this article, because it's so powerful.

Yeah.

Well, thank you so much for having me, Christine.

It's really a, a pleasure and an honor to be on your show.

Um, and what brought it about was actually, this was a commission study.

So there was someone that had, uh, a particular interest in, in high-conflict personalities who got Santa Clara University to look into it.

And Professor Michelle Overman knew that I worked in the field.

Like, what were some of your, um, like, some aha moments I'm sure you had that made you want to participate in writing this article, by the way, right?