Grandparents, just as you're heading towards your 40s, or just turned 40, how did that land for you both?

I was shocked.

I think I was shocked.

I thought that Ethan would want to travel and, like, do things differently to how we did them, just because, you know, you think he's, he's lived through the whole experience of having young parents and, you know, um, navigating all of that.

And obviously we, we didn't have a lot of money when he was little.

You know, there's all the, all the stuff that goes with moving around and sort of still being in that age where you're hustling and trying to get, you know, your life up and running.

And, um, you know, I had to work, he had, he was in daycare and afterschool care and things like that.

Um-