Yes.

And so the way that I think it works best, and we actually have a full framework for how to stand this up when you utilize Pluralsight.

But when you think about it, if you can connect it to a specific program that you're running.

you're moving to the cloud, or you want to have your entire employee base be able to be literate and do some level of AI activity, build a simple agent as an example, you can define what that outcome needs to be and then stand up the learning.

And as a way to be able to walk people through that, when you get to the end and you have those outcomes, that is what you should be measuring.

And it's really interesting, especially with new technology, things like MCP as an example.

This goes actually back to the whole L&D infrastructure and the platform conversation.

Why pull hiring into a conversation about learning? Where's that connection?