And I think you maybe have a couple of stories that you were going to share with us today.

Sure.

No, it's a pleasure to be here talking with everybody about an issue that's very near and dear to my heart because it really has been a kind of defining feature throughout my career of just some steps along the way that I didn't see coming and that worked out quite well.

But these are challenges that we deal with today and, in my experience, don't necessarily deal with in the most obvious of places where you think, like, wow, these are extremely outside the mainstream views that it's really hard to find anybody to defend.

I've dealt with these issues a little bit more in terms of just some of the political polarization with support for views among the legal community where the legal community is not nearly as supportive as many people throughout the country are.

My first early experience with this was when I started private practice.

I went to work with my now partner and longtime colleague, Paul Clement.

We'll have to paraphrase Frederick Douglass, join with all to do good, none to do ill. It's got to be the way of it on these fronts.