So you were at this point where it was almost like an epiphany for you, right?

So I had this epiphany and I looked at what was missing.

I looked at the piece that was missing for me was, like, personal connection and impact.

I wasn't changing anything.

I was just, like, paper pushing for b- multi-billion dollar companies, and I felt so disconnected that what was...

What I realized was like, okay, I, what I do a lot of the time is have con- conversations with people about how they're feeling and about what's important to them.

And so the choice for me was, like, therapy, become a therapist or become a coach.

Yeah