In terms of keeping your guys' heads on your shoulders and mentally strong and keeping that cool, what is the vibe like in the club at the moment?

I think this whole year we've kind of been taking it a week at a time and a training session at a time and I think that's the good thing about what we're putting in as a club.

We've been putting down and focused on nothing past this week, the next training session and What comes will come, but I think that's helping us this year.

We're attacking every session every week and then worrying about next week, next week.

So that's probably what's keeping us grounded because we're only as good as...

the game this weekend, so we've got to make sure we perform going into the last few rounds.

Do you feel that you guys are near that, the best?

Yeah.

That's because your high schools are enormous, right?

Well, not only that, but we're three years apart for it.

Three years apart.

And we just never ran into each other.

I think I saw a peek of him at like a prom maybe that I think back in my memory.

But we met, well, Greg, let's see.

We met over a weekend that my brother, my sister and I were having a going away party for a friend of ours.

So let's fast forward a little bit and tell me about the lead up to what happened, if you can.

Like, what's it like as a middle forward to have him as a, as a dummy half?

Man, I think he flies under the radar a lot as a hooker.

Um, he, he definitely makes us middles look a lot better.

[laughs] Or, well, me, makes me look a lot better than I am.

And the way he just like holds the markers, gets to A and puts us through space, like you don't get that really much, um, in, in this game.

So, uh, a lot of...

I hope he gets the, the flowers he deserves because he's definitely such a crafty and such a good player.

How, how big is that for you as a middle forward to see your fullback just, just gutsing it out?

Um, when there is organizational darkness, is the leader the last one to see it? Or what's, what's been your experience, and how, how do you, how do you affect that change when you do see organizational darkness, whether you're the, the posi- positional leader or you're a leader in the, in the f- rank and file? Any thoughts on that?

So, uh, uh, it, I think it depends, right? There's the organizational darkness and the, right, that, that's sort of easy to see, like egregious, uh, breaches, if you will, or, or examples where...

And, and even, even sometimes that's sort of, you know, we look the other way and accept, and you see that happen a lot.

Um, the, the more difficult source of darkness that we talk about in the book, or that, that we, uh, that, that's even, uh, sort of the acceptable levels that, that we sort of found tend to be there in some respects, sort of accepted as, as just, you know, just part of what it means to navigate large, complex dynamics in organizations.

This sort of hazy versus kind of opaque, you know? Clearly, clearly dark, right? And in some respects, that's the, that's the...

can be harder to see and harder to, um, to, to look at.

But I think the answer to addressing it, um, is the same, whether it's this sort of more, um, kind of pervasive even, uh, s- more hazy, uh, examples of, of, of darkness com- you know, competitiveness, it, within the organization that turns to kind of just, you know, mean, bullying, bad behavior or, or even more egregious sort of ethical violations and those kinds of things.

So, um, Erin, one of, one of the questions I have for you is, is about, um, you know, the, just the, the power of having information become visible and, um, do you have any experiences that you could share of how when, when information became visible, it unlocked the potential of, of employees, of leaders at all levels to really be able to kind of take ownership and move forward, the power of visibility?

When you come in now as the Dallium Lock of the Year, what kind of pressure does that put on you, or what kind of

confidence does that give you? I think, obviously, the accolades are cool, but I know myself and I know the coaching staff know that I can offer a lot more.

Obviously I said the accolades were good, but I knew I could have done a lot better.

There's a lot of points in my game where I can improve a lot.

I'm just excited because I'm still scratching the surface.

What have you seen pre-season of the

Zesty boys? Bro, I think you've got to add Tannis L.

Smith to those Zesty boys.