So I, I think what I think would make the most sense is maybe explaining some of the things you recently learned from Ernst in New York, and then how you took some of the concepts that you've learned over time and are applying them in your system, in your farming system in context.

Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

Um, and we can definitely-- I have some ideas about how this pertains specifically to, to deer and, um, you know, management for wildlife and that kind of thing, uh, that we can get into later on, because I really do believe that there is a, a direct link to this kind of approach in management and how, um, how many deer can be supported and how interested they are in a particular area.

So when Ernst was here, uh, we had a few different goals.

One of them was to do an actual r- uh, to set up a research trial.

Um, so this was, uh, the, the research trial in question was comparing a normal kind of, yeah, standard-ish way of growing vegetables in New York compared with a different, completely different model of growing vegetables that is based on trees, or I should say, um, natural or ecological succession and, um, high-density tree planting, a stratified high-density tree planting being the driver of fertility, uh, to, to furnish enough fertility for the production of vegetables.

... perspective, and just maybe break that down for maybe the listenership.