Mm-hmm.

So I really had to find people in my community, the therapists to work with and learn from, and I think it just continued.

I beca- I, I really found myself feeling very passionate about, um, body image and really passionate about helping people feel comfortable and safe in their bodies no matter what their size.

I moved, like, very quickly away from a weight, uh, to, to a weight inclusive approach of a weight centric one, wanted to be clear about that.

It was so obvious to me that when we talk about shrinking our bodies, we really get ourselves in trouble.

Um, yeah, so I did that work and I, I think just as ev- life turns out, my body itself was changing [laughs] and, um, you know, I'm on the older side.

I went through menopause, and I saw similar things happening in my clients and they, they responded to me because I'm a little bit older.

Yeah.