Involved

... involved to a greater or lesser extent in the creation of the actual book.

'Cause typically, a photographer's expected to deliver the photos and then move on.

But what I, what I, uh, learned from the very first cookbook which I worked on, which was Tartine Bread, um, I worked on that very closely with my mentor, Chad Robertson, and I do, I remember getting the first pages back, um, from the, from the publisher.

We had a wonderful designer Um, Vanessa Dina, but she wasn't with us on set when we were making the book.

And so in my head, I was building one book, and then it came back and it was a completely different book.

Yes.

Right? Um, so r- I got a taste early on and, and Chad had negotiated some, some degree of involvement in the design process, so I, early on I had a taste of how important, um, design and photo choices were for the final product, for the final book itself.